Mrs. Moritz's 9th Honors English

Wednesday, October 11, 2006

Firemen

Hi everyone. Do me a favor... read your peers blogs so that I don't have to read a bunch of redundant information. React to what your classmates say. Try to interact with each other through this blog. Here we go...

1. Describe the role of firemen today; how are they generally received by the public?

2. How did 9/11 affect our perceptions of firemen?

3. How are firemen perceived by the public in Fahrenheit 451? (page 7) Why do you think this is?

71 Comments:

  • Question 2-
    I believe that 9/11 has greatly affected our perception of firefighters. I definitely appreciate them more, because I know they will do whatever it takes to save lives. Before, yes, I knew that they would save a life, but I wasn't really sure that they would give their life for someone else to live. I think our society is greatly impressed by this, and therefore we respect them more.
    I also think that maybe people who were planning to go into this field, maybe changed their minds, because they might not have known the intensity. The general image of firemen has changed from the men who fight fires, to the men who save lives.

    By Blogger Annika E, at 1:02 PM  

  • Responding to question 3:

    When Clarisse says that she is not afraid of Guy, the fireman, I think that that is very rare for someone to say in the world that she lives in. When Guy talks to her, he says something along the lines of 'don't you respect me?' It might be that people of that time do not respect them as much as fear them.

    The firemen of that time do not have a very nice and happy job-the set dangerous fires and destroy books. The idea of burning books might not bother the people, but the idea that what ever is set fire inside the fireproof houses will burn and no one will ever know about it.

    The fire men go from saving lives and property to destroying property.

    By Blogger alysew, at 1:18 PM  

  • Question 1:
    Firemen are received by the publc as heros. They run into burning buildings to save others they don't even know. They care for everyone and want to get everyone to safety even if it means that they give their lives like in 9/11. Thay probaly didn't even give it a second thought about running into the trade centers over and over tring to save as many lives as they can.

    By Blogger Damian L., at 1:28 PM  

  • I agree with annika with how 9/11 affected our perception of firefighters. I think that most people didn't realize the amount of bravery that it took to be a firefighter. Also, many of us did not think that being a firefighter meant more than just fighting fires . But it included sacrificing your life so that others may have a chance to live. This realization helped earn fire fighters more respect.

    By Blogger Kristen F., at 1:59 PM  

  • The role of firemen today include them being ready to put out a fire and risk their life for anyone 24/7 (or whenever their shift is) and to not be afraid of anything. They are generally received by the public as brave, courageous, and selfless. They are known as risk- takers and most people look up to them as heros. 9/11 definitely had a huge affect on our perceptions of firemen in that we look at them as such amazing people that risked their lives to save our loved ones. Since some people used to look at them as people who spent thier life putting out fires and getting dirty, their views (hopefully) changed so that they look at them with open eyes and as open heart and know that they have the toughest job, and have been through so much in their life. Firemen are perceived by the public in Fahrenheit 451 as people that usually keep to themselves and are very quiet people. They are also thought to be wierd people who lead an interesting lifestyle. I think this is because they have seen so many people die in the fires that they have set, and they have seen so much in their lifetime, that they are so scared and don't want to talk about it.

    By Blogger erikaw, at 2:02 PM  

  • Question #1-
    Today firefighters are seen as heros, not only because they have to put out fires, but because they save lives and homes. Because of 9/11 they recieve a different level of respect, higher than they recieved before. People percieve them as full of courage, where as before, they were seen as average and it was just cool to know peers with that profession. Fire Fighters went from being impressive to being outstanding.

    By Blogger Liz, at 2:04 PM  

  • On a different note... I would just like to say that as a kid, firemen scared me to death and I never understood why any one would want to run into a burning building as a career. It took an event like 9/11 for me to realize that these people aren't just fighting the flames, they are fighting to maybe save a life.

    By Blogger Kristen F., at 2:05 PM  

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    By Blogger Kristen F., at 2:06 PM  

  • I agree with Damian L. In our world today, firemen are perceived as heroes. Because they are! They do whatever they have to in order to save other people, which sometimes means not being able to save themselves. As Annika said, since 9/11, people have began appreciating firemen more than ever before. We now know that they risk their lives each and every day. Most people wouldn't do that. 9/11 also showed how we, as Americans will stand together when we are led by great people. Although I wasn't there, I'm sure that people in the Towers knew that some people were trying to save them. Because of this, they could have stuck together and helped each other get to the safest place they could find, so that it would be easier for the firemen to save a group of people, instead of just one at a time.

    In Fahrenheit 451, firemen are perceived as somewhat scary people. I think this is because people know that they have a large amount of power, although not in a good way. People don't really know that firemen used to save people, and put fires out (although Clarise mentioned it), and so they could also think that they are somewhat mean. It seems like the public is just intimidated by firemen.

    <3

    By Blogger , at 2:09 PM  

  • YES! I totally agree w/ annika and everybody else that mentioned 9/11 firefighters (and i guess all firefighters in general) as heroes. When i was little i always thought about "Mr.Fireman" as being the cool guy who drove the big red truck down the street and fought flames. The first words that came to mind then were "Helpful Community Members" or just 'the good guys.'Now, especially since 9/11, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word "firefighter" is hero. I wish I could also add something insightful but y'all stated it all really well.

    By Blogger Alison B, at 2:18 PM  

  • Just a question for everyone: seeing as this book takes place in 2053, after 9/11, do you think it is realistic that firemen would turn into the "bad guys," or would they stay heroes in the eyes of the public becasue of what they did on 9/11?

    By Blogger matt f., at 2:55 PM  

  • Question 2:
    Since 9/11, the people of the United States have not necessarily changed their opinions of firefighters, since I don't belive that people ever thought they were bad. I think that they mostly have just become more aware/greatful of what firefighters sacrifice. 9/11 was a representation of what firemen do, and therefore, when we honor firemen, 9/11 is often something we think of.

    By Blogger Whitney*P, at 3:16 PM  

  • Question 3

    Firemen in this book are percived as scary and horrible people. They make unnecessary fires and burn books. I just found it weird that when Clarisse told him about what the job of a fireman used to be, he didn't know that they used to stop fires instead of starting them. Do you think that Clarisse is one of the only people who knows about what used to happen in the world?

    And one more question,its kind of random though. I might have not heard it but what was the fireman talking about when he said that there was something that lay hidden in the grille?

    By Blogger haleycc, at 3:45 PM  

  • I most definitely agree with everyone who discussed the subject of how we see firemen and how they not only put out fires but how they also save lives. They truly are heroes. I really agree that 9/11 has really opened our eyes to how tough a fireman's job really is and has brought about much respect for them.

    I have seen many movies that involve the story of how firemen save lives (and I'm not talking about "Rescue Heroes"), I'm talking about "Hellfighters" or "Towering Inferno" or even "World Trade Center". They risked their lives and they are very courageous and are an inspiration to all of us.

    By Blogger clewis, at 4:09 PM  

  • The role of firemen today is no greater today than it is in the book Farenheit 451. The only difference is their roles in society. They have this image now as superheroes towards mankind. In Farenheit 451, they are percived to be as gigantic as they are now, but they are infamous. The current firemen are fire fighters while those in the book are arsonists. The roles of the two are not greater or more important than the other, just different.

    By Blogger tchilton, at 4:21 PM  

  • I agree with Annika like everyone else does. Firefighters are selfless people! This actually reminds of that one Grey's Anatomy where the bomb is inside a guy and could explode at anytime. People could leave if they want, and even the anesthesiologist(sp?) does. When I talked to my friends about it alot of them agreed with the anesthesiologist and would rather save their life then someone elses. I think that if other eople were depending on me then I would help them. Firefighters have hope and I think that is an important trait to have when saving lives while risking your own.

    By Blogger kkanski, at 4:28 PM  

  • I agree with tchilton when he says that the role of the fireman is just as important today as in the book, it is just a matter of what job they do. On a slightly different note, in the book when Clarisse hints that she thinks firefighters are not as good as they seem, she is looked down upon and is percieved to be strange. If someone today voiced the opinion that firefighters are not the heroes we make them out to be, they would be looked upon with deep disdain. My question is how did the people changed into this lifestlye and conform to these beliefs. I can't imagine that it occured overnight, but I can't grasp that they would forget about their past so voluntarily.

    By Blogger Julia B, at 4:31 PM  

  • When Matt F. points out that Fahrenheit 451 takes place in 2053, I agree that our view of firefighters may change by then. Although I have always respected people who risk their lives to save others and find them even more heroic after 9/11, I do see how we could forget about all of this honor after 50 more years. I doubt that by then the firefighters will be starting fires instead putting them out, but the public's remembrance of their bravery at 9/11 will fade with time. For our generation and the people alive at the time, our opinions probably won't change as much, but later generations won't feel the personal connection with 9/11 that we will always feel. Think about it this way: for our descendants, 9/11 will be like Pearl Harbor is to us. We care about it and understand its effect on history, but we weren't there so we're not as likely to care and dwell on it.

    By Blogger Rachel K, at 4:40 PM  

  • Question 3
    In Fahrenheit 451, the Firemen are perceived as normal laborers who do a job that is not heroic or exciting, just something that has to be done. This is because Firemen Don't have the heroic job of putting out fires and rescuing people. They just uphold the law by burning contriband. It just something that must be done. like collecting the garbage, or working in a factory.

    By Blogger Barry Tischler, at 4:48 PM  

  • Hello again, mah dears! Well, I like this post! Here we go...

    I think the roles of firefighters today have been pretty well-stated already by my friends here: they are heros. I don't know if any of you have younger siblings, but if you do, perhaps you have heard of the show Higglytown Heros on Disney Channel? It's a really cute little animated show about the heros of this town; everyone from a baker to a plumber to a firefighter is a Higglytown Hero! I mention this show because I think all people are "heros" in their own way to different people, and the perception of heros changes through time. America's symbol of a hero in the earlier years was a cowboy, then Superman. Nowadays, our icon has become the fireman. It is a powerful picture, one must admit: a soot-stained man or woman striding through the rubble of a fallen building, sacrificing his life to save others. That's their job. Isn't that crazy? A firefighters JOB is to die for us. Any of us, all of us. It doesn't matter what kind of car you drive, or how much money you make, or how nice your shirt looks to a firefighter: they save EVERYONE. A powerful thought, really. There's some religious parallels here that I won't get into (I don't want to offend anyone) but it is certainly interesting to think about.

    9/11 is perhaps the biggest event in American history after the Revolutionary War because, like the Revolution, it defines Americans as people. We are the country that, in times of terrible hardship and destruction, come together to overcome whatever is facing us. 9/11 brought heros to our eyes again, everyday people like firemen who work so hard to save lives. That is why the fireman is such an Amercian symbol. It shows how strong and united we as a nation can be when it really matters, when it's truely important.

    People in Fahrenheit 451 are afraid of firemen, according to page 7. I think that this is a logical fear, but different in our time. In today's world, little kids are often afraid of firemen because of the outfits they have to wear to protect themselves. The mask, the coat, the boots...all together through smoke it can be a terrifying combination. And then there's always the doubt that no one talks about: what if the fireman doesn't save me? What if, when we're in the midst of the smoke and the flames and the house is falling down around our ears, what if he or she chooses to turn away and let me die? And am I even worth saving? In the time of Fahrenheit 451, firemen are regarded with fear because they bring out our fear now: they DO NOT save the people. They burn books, burn what is precious and rare and forbidden, tear apart lives and homes and send people to insane asylums. (Oooo, vocabulary word!)They bring out that root fear, so thereby become terrifying people.

    To haleycc, my buddy! I think that Clarisse is one of the only ones that knows about the past, but I'm not sure why. (A stolen book, perhaps?) And I suspect that the thing behind the grate is a book that Montag stole, although I of course don't know for sure. To mattf: that is such an insightful comment! How cool! You are brilliant. That's a great thing to think about...

    Wow, sorry my blog is so long, pals! Stay safe, have a nice night! ~me.

    By Blogger CMeghan, at 4:50 PM  

  • I totally agree with what annika and alison said about until 9/11 I saw the average fireman as someone who rode in a red truck, sprayed a hose, and had a dalmation sitting next to them. But after 9/11 my fairy tale version got changed to what really happens. I think that nasty fact also hit other people who wanted to become a firemen on that day. So now the public sees that a fireman isn't just somebody who puts out fires but someone who risks their lives to save the people in our society today.

    By Blogger kaytlin r., at 4:50 PM  

  • I know we're not supposed to be repeating information, so I'm going to try my best. Even as I'm writing this, I'm still not positive as to which question I'm resoinding to. I completely agree with everyone about the hero aspect. Our society has this wonderful outlook on firefighters, and rightfully so. But I think Matt brought up an excellent point. This book was written pre-9/11. We've all been saying how 9/11 changed our appreciation, or perspective of firefighters. Do you think it's possible that the reverse has occured in the book? Is it possible that some major event changed society's view of these once heros? When a tradegy occurs, humans are excellent at the blame game. Could the firefighters have been the victims of an event like that?

    By Blogger Martha P., at 5:12 PM  

  • I'm going to blog in my free periods from now on so I get my opinion in before everyone takes what I have to say!!! Just kidding. Kind of.

    To react to basically all the questions put together and adjusted...and to ask a question that I want you all to think about...has anyone ever thought that maybe, despite the fact that firemen in the book might be frightening and intimidating, the firemen today and the firemen in Fahrenheit 451 have a few similarities?

    For one, they're both feared, just in a different way. While present day firemen hold respect for the firemen because of their willingness to save lives at all costs, the Fahrenheit Firemen, as Alyse first mentioned, seem to hold respect through fear and maybe awe as well. (Montag asks Clarisse, "Don't you have any respect?")

    But I've been thinking, could it be that both sets of firemen share other traits as well? I'm curious to read further in the book and find out.

    By Blogger JordanK, at 5:16 PM  

  • In response to question #2
    So far I agree with everyone, and especially with the people who imagined firefighters as guys in trucks as a little kid. I too was one of those people, but I did not see them as men in trucks, I didnt even realize that. I thought all firemen were just guys that came to school and made your teacher put on a little yellow uniform that was huge on them. As the years went on I realized that I was wrong but until 9/11 I never really knew that they were that dedicated to saving lives. It completely changed my opinion of them and now I think they are courageous, and strong, and everything that everyone else said so far.

    By Blogger NatalieJ, at 5:21 PM  

  • I agree with everyone else who has responded to question two. If you asked a little kid who they think a hero is they would probably say Superman, Spiderman, Batman, etc. After 9/11 people saw (including kids) that the firefighters act just like the heroes in comic books. They save the day and peoples' lives by facing dangerous situations just like superheroes. However, they are humans and can be killed unlike most superheroes who have special powers to help them stay alive. Firefighters have one major super power which is courage. I think many people realized that after 9/11. When they died trying to save others' lives people really saw them as heroes becasue they saw them as people they could count on to save the day and their lives. So now if you were to ask a little kid (or anybody)who they think a hero was and a lot of them would say firefighters.

    By Blogger Kayla F, at 5:54 PM  

  • Tim has a very good point. Actually, every post I have read has a good point, I just would like to point out Tim's again because I think that one really stands out. I hadn't thought that the significance of firemen in Farenheit 451 is the same as today's firemen, only different purposes, but that makes so much sense. I also think that both kinds of firemen are respected, it is just extremely different kinds of respect. The firemen in the book are respected out of fear, and because they have the power to burn your house. The firemen in the real world are respected because they are viewed as heroes for saving lives and risking their own.

    Note: firefighteres have always been viewed as heroes, it is just that it takes something like 9/11 to really show and remind the world how heroic they are, so 9/11 didn't so much change people's views of firefighters as renewed them.

    By Blogger Tina L, at 5:55 PM  

  • Question 1

    I agree with damian and the others that firemen play the role of heroes in our society. I also like what natalie said that, 9/11 really showed what firemen were really doing. They are role-models and heroes to children. Then I think of them now as silent, selfless, heros, doing their duty without question. I know there are exceptions. I think it takes a large tragic event for the majority to realize what they do at take it for its full value. I also fing it amazing that they can be so selfless simply in the name that they are doing their duty, or doing what is right. I think it would be hard to put others lives beofre your own the way they do on a daily basis.

    By Blogger Tony J., at 5:57 PM  

  • Question 2
    Barry is the only one who has brought up the oppinion that firemen aren't percieved as bad guys. I was trying to say that before he posted his, however the site is being stupid and won't accept my password. On page 7, Clarisse says,"So many people are. Afraid of firemen.", but she never says anything about them being percieved as bad guys. I never got the opinion that anyone, other than the people who owned books, found the firemen as infamous or anything. In sixth hour today, we were talking about a person who a few people in class were afraid of. Then someone vouched for that person saying that he was a really nice person when you got to know him. It is the same way with the firemen, people are afraid of them, because they have probably never met or talked to one.

    By Blogger goodriddance, at 5:57 PM  

  • Response to # 3:

    I belive that the people of the book treat Firemen with fear, awe and distance. From what I can tell from the book is that no one realy cares about anyone. Guy does not love his wife. His wife's life is saved by some random, impartial worker that gave the wife a new set of blood. Have you had time to wonder where the blood came from??????

    The Firemen are treated with "respect" normaly because they are programed to. It seems that the people of 2053 are programed, they watch TV all day. This question somewhat connects to the banned book I am reading, "Clan of the Cave Bear". In this book,the children of the clan are taught to fear and respect the magician Mog-Ur. So, when a young girl that was found shows affection and not fear to him, both the clan and Mog-Ur are taken aback and treat the little girl like even more of an outcast.

    The girl in my book is very similar to Clarisse. Since she has not had the same upbring as the others, she has a different perspective. Because of this, i predict that Clarisse will become an outcast like the girl in "Clan of the Cave Bear"

    Sorry if that was too random, but it was a connection I made as soon as I read the question.
    -KAO

    By Blogger katieorlandini, at 6:21 PM  

  • i agree with damian. FIre fighters are percepted as heroes. Even though it does no take much education to run into a building and put fires out, they say many people each year! I don't think that people thank firemen enough for what they actually do. they put their own life on the line day after day to save others. 9/11 made people realize even more how much we need firemen. I think they also keep the community feeling safe. Fire men are also nice to look at, haha, just kidding. But really i am very gratefull that we have such hard working firemen through out our country and they play a major role in society.

    By Blogger tneal8, at 6:22 PM  

  • Wow, this blog has certainly spiced up a bit! Every single one of you guys has something fabulous to say!

    To Matt: That is an excelent point! I never really thought of that... Society does really strange things to people. I mean, if 9/11 hadn't happen, do you think we would view fire fighters in the same way, whether it be now or in the future? Was the admiration of the heroes of 9/11 really a general admiration or was it just a folling of the crowd to soon be forgotten for other "more important" people. (ie: political figures, movies stars etc.)?

    To Meg: Higglytown heroes! YES! I think it's really interesting that you bring that up. Because what happens when kids see that show? They say, "Mommy! Guess what? I want to be a _____ when I grow up!" Whatever that might be, the kids ADMIRE the people who are symbolized on the show.

    I wonder if Bradbury DELIBERATELY chose the role of a fire fighter (one of the most dangerous, heroic, neccessary jobs in the world) to something to be feared and regarded with horror. Maybe he was attempting to predict the future... or maybe he was just trying to sound a wake up call. Maybe he what he was trying to say through his similies and metaphors and descriptive language was: "YO! PEOPLE! Look around you! There are heroes in your midst who sacrifice their lives every day and you don't even recognize it! What would you do if they suddenly became "evil" and started destroying something that you loved most?"

    Just some food for thought... haha. Food for thought! Sorry Cornil's history joke. I am so terrible. :)

    Peace,
    Rachel

    By Blogger RachelP, at 6:59 PM  

  • Question 1, I'm thinking.

    Just like Martha, I think it'd be hard not to repeat what everyone else said since we all have the same views. I think we are taught as little kids that firefighters are heroes, and that they risk their lives to save ours. I certainly think they are regarded with very high respect, even to the point that they get to run redlights. :] But without them, we would have many more injuries and property losses. So their benefits are very great to us, and I don't think people can think of a reason we shouldn't have them (especially since no one else wants to risk their lives at their jobs).

    Fireman are like the big heroic teddybears of life. As little kids we're told how friendly and safe we are with them, and then as we grow up we realize their huge signifigance in our society.


    --Kylie

    By Blogger KylieYoum, at 7:09 PM  

  • In answer to Matt F. 's question, I think that 9/11 will fade into history just like Chernobyl. I am sure that if you asked 10 kids in our class about Chernobyl, only a few would be able to answer with decent details to support the idea that they understood what they were talking about. Even though that is a very legendary and tragic event that effected many generations to come, it, like many other "major" historical events, has faded into history and been replaced by modern (or more modern) day news.
    On another note, I completely agree with annika and everyone else about how 9/11 changed the point of view of many people on the topic of Firemen. I digress.
    *CONECTION*
    In 1984 (which me and many others in our class had to read for mrs. p in 7th grade) the job of the main character is to rewrite history so that it goes with all the political stances of the country's leader. For example: If they were at war with Eastaisa, they had ALWAYS been at war with Eastaisa, and when an alliance was formed between Oceana (sp) and Eastaisa, they had ALWAYS been in alliance with Eastaisa. The history was erased so that the people would have no say or coment about conflict with the country's leader's decisions. In F451, history has been erased so that what the political leader says is right, is right. And life has always been that way without ANY conflicting openions on decisions.
    Question to throw out:
    What is they symbolism of the books on the front cover of all of our school copy books? Is that fact that they are all written by renouned writers symbolic? Is anything else about their physical being symbolic?
    Sorry if I wrote too much...

    :P It is not life that is bad, but the way you percieve it.

    By Blogger Emma Grace, at 7:34 PM  

  • I believe the only reason people are afraid of the firemen is because of there power. they have a very powerful weapon that, for the most part, no one has. this power is fire. the only reason why people dislike them is because they have the power to do anything they want at any time they want. if they want to burn everything in your house they can.

    By Blogger sean b, at 7:36 PM  

  • hahahahaha this doesnt have anything to do with the blogggg.
    but alright goodriddance!
    i love how you put in part of our class conversation on here.
    you are awesome.

    and sry if i got a lil fired up during that.
    especially mrs. mortiz.
    im srry if you thought i was attacking you.
    that wasn't my point and i didn't mean anything by it.

    By Blogger , at 7:41 PM  

  • Replying to Emma Grace's comment earlier, I disagree that people will forget about 9/11. Not only did it change our views on firemen and how couragous they are, but also how much work they go through. I think 9/11 will definitely not fade away because it was a huge change in our hisory. When looking back years from now on the war in Iraq, I think many people will decide that that turn in history is what really helped start the war and it will be in our minds forever. Firemen also won't be forgotten for how they contribute to everyday life and how much they help society.

    By Blogger jcard, at 7:44 PM  

  • I completely agree with hardcore<3! I think everyone agrees that after 9/11 firemen and police men weren't just poeple who were at the other end of a 911 phone call. We were really young when the 9/11 attacks happened, so I think we were really unaware of how important these people really were. Then after 9/11 I think we began to understand that firemen were peole who could save our lives and were willing to risk their lifes to do that!

    By Blogger Sarah E., at 8:00 PM  

  • I agree with annika as well, as a child you see a firefighter as a big guy in the big suite and the red hat that is sooo lucky becuase he gets to ride on a fire truck and use that huge hose. However, after 9/11 we relized the harsh realities of being a firemen. The choice of you living or saving anothers life. I think firmen aren't always given enough credit for what they do and after 9/11 I think they finally got the respect they diserve.

    By Blogger Blair L, at 8:27 PM  

  • Question 3

    hey all! wow, there are a LOT of awesome comments here, and i really hope that i dont restate what people have already said...ill try my best!

    So, I think that firemen are percieved in this book as being terrible people that are respected because of their power, as Haley and others said. However, I am not really sure that some people in the community really care about the firemen, because they are so isolated from other the firemen and the world. So, I guess my opinion on the matter has changed; I think that the firemen are only percieved in the community as terrible people by the people that have had their own houses burned down. The others, however, are so isolated from the rest of the world, that they wouldn't know a whole lot about it anyway, or care.

    Now, in response to Haley's question, I do not think that Clarisse is the only person in the world that knows about the past and what their world used to be like. I think that a few others must know about the past, because she must have found that out from a book, and other people must still have books in their houses, because the firemen are continuosly burning houses and books.

    Now, I realize that not too many people will be blogging after me, but if there is anyone, please respond to my question.
    Does anyone else see a connection between this book and The Giver? I know that they are not totally alike, I definitely saw some similarities.

    By Blogger melissaq, at 8:40 PM  

  • Bwhahahaha! it's me. again. teehee. Well, I just wanted to say a few quick things as I'm taking a break from studying biology.

    To Rachel, partner in crime: food for thought, hahahaha! that really was in BAD TASTE!!!! ;)

    To katieorlandini, my bud: do you really think Montag doesn't love his wife? Anyone have opinions on this? Because I, personally, think he loves her very much. But I think the trouble is that he's confused the real Mildred with his idea of her. Throughout life, it becomes heartbreakingly clear that not everyone can be the way you want them to. Perhaps even worse: not everyone can be what you NEED them to be. I think if he just leaned over and kissed her, brought some life back into her frozen body and warmth into her mouth which can only spew cold nonesense...maybe things would be okay. Maybe they could pick up the pieces.

    Okay, I PROMISE I won't write anymore tonight! x and o to everyone. ~me.

    By Blogger CMeghan, at 8:44 PM  

  • ~Responding to question 2~
    I think before September 11th firemen were appreciated for their jobs but no one who had ever experienced a fire in their personal lives could ever truly understand the meaning behind these heroes. Then the horrific tragedy of 9/11 occurred, changing many people's views of these modern day heroes. Also it's curious because when you think about all the work and risks that firemen put into their jobs today and then you think about pro-athletes it is shocking to think that athletes get more money. Every year celebrities and famous athletes are paid a huge amount of money for acting, singing, or whatever their source of providing entertainment to the world may be. Every day firemen risk their lives to save others and their belongings. No one says they have to. Yes, it would be morally wrong if no one stepped up to the plate to help others, but no one HAS to save others. I think that 9-11 helped the country realize this issue and helped them appreciate far greater adn more empathetically what these firemen do every day. If there were no firemen, who would have helped and saved all those victims of such a tragic day? What would happen if the world stops appreciating firemen to such an extent that firemen quit?

    By Blogger Chelley D, at 9:02 PM  

  • Hnnnnng okay I just typed up THE LONGEST POST. EVER. And then I logged in and the post was lost. So here we go again.

    Okay! I agree with almost everyone that has posted in that firemen are now, and have always been, perceived as heroes. Rightfully so. They risk their lives so others might live. Their job description also includes enduring extreme conditions- and extreme conditions are something that we, as Americans, are kind of obsessed with (hello, reality television). Speaking of America, firefighting is sort of an all-American career choice. Its rumored glory infiltrates even our youngest generations (surely you've met a kid whose sole dream is to fight fires! It's the ultimate combination of power and bravery).

    But with regards to question two, I think that the prestige and honor of being a firefighter has skyrocketed since 9/11. It's one thing to know that firefighters will keep your neighbor's house-fire from spreading to your front lawn. It's something else entirely to know that firefighters will pull injured Americans from the site of a disaster, will help to physically combat the after-effects of an act of terror. Suddenly, firefighters are no longer just brave and strong- they're freedom fighters.

    One last note- it's interesting how, in modern society, we simultaneously (and unrelatedly) see firefighters as heroes and see information as power. In the bookverse world of Fahrenheit 451, firefighters are viewed as seedy and perhaps power-hungry, and are in charge of destroying information (in book form, anyway). I don't know how the two are related; I'm just mentioning it.

    That post was nowhere NEAR as long as my other one. YOU'RE WELCOME.
    :) Goodnight everybody.

    By Blogger laura h., at 9:13 PM  

  • I agree with everyone on this post about the roles of firefighters. The small town heroes were heroes from the beginning, but after 9/11, people begain to recogonize them and give them the respect that they deserve because of the New York Firefighters. I also want to add to Martha's comment. I think it was interesting that Firefighters were really ammended for the work they had been doing for the past century only after they had to prove themseleves in the nations greatest tradegy. This can also be reversed. If the firefghters had not responded to the call and had ran from the burning building (like most of us would do) instead of helping people, they would have been shunned and ridiculed. Maybe this is similar to what happened in the book, and the firefighters want that respect the once had back, and they are going to get it through the fear of the public they work for, by burning books. Oh, and this is Shannon by the way, my account was terminated, and i set it up again, but it switched my display name to this, i dont know how. Sorry. Ill try to change it for next time!\

    Ü Shannon

    By Blogger KraziCoconut1014, at 9:30 PM  

  • I think that not only 9/11 changed our opinion but also the movies and media that has been made regarding firemen. I think that firemen were much like soldiers. Everyone know and respects their courage and bravery howeverno one knows about them and no one really cares, and this is a shame. WIth movies on 9/11 and for example ladder 49 forefighters are regarded highly.

    By Blogger Dan E, at 9:40 PM  

  • Responding to Question #2~
    I think that 9/11 has greatly influenced present day opinions of firemen. In such a time of tragedy, shock, and despair they were the heroes saving lives or perishing in their attempts. The attack really heightened the praise already given to firefighters. For example, when 9/11 was depicted in images by the media, there was always at least one among the groups showing the firefighters saving citizens. Furthermore, recent film productions have been based upon the heroic acions of firefighters in the 9/11 attack.These adults became more than just the workers who stopped fires and saved average American lives. Firefighters became idols/role models. A perfect example of the good American citizen: people risking themselves for the sake of others. In Fahrenheit 451, I think that the people's opinion of firefighters is much different than those of present day (after 9/11). The firefighters no longer do such gallant acts as saving lives. Rather, they are used as a force to dispose of books, which are believed to unneccessary peices of trash. Basically, the firefighters are a sort of cleaning force purifying society. Despite the non-heroic view of firefighters shown by the novel, there seems to be some power and respect associated with the job, although I am not quite sure why just yet.

    By Blogger kchurchill, at 9:42 PM  

  • this is just a test post to see if my account is working okay. everyone can ignore this! thanks. ~me

    By Blogger CMeghan, at 8:16 AM  

  • questiona dos

    I think that since 9/11 everyone sees how dangerous a firemans job can be. Before 9/11 everyone knew their jobs were dangerous, but nobody really thought about it, now that I know what they will do to save people, I realize how dangerous their jobs can be.

    By Blogger hmadsen, at 9:34 AM  

  • Contrary to other comments on question #3, I think don't think that the firemen are feared in this society. However, I don't think that they are very well understood. To this town, they are known as the people that come into houses and burn books and any artifacts near those books. The firemen in this town are probably not the most important aspect of everyday life. All the people know of what firemen really are is what they are told and what they see. One example of this is on page 34 when the rule books are drawn and under history it says "Established, 1790, to burn English-influenced books in the colonies. First Fireman: Benjamin Franklin." All that the townspeople have access to is what the government and people under that government choose to tell them. This can be related to what is currently going on in North Korea. The people of this nation live in complete oblivion to what is going on in the rest of the world. They have two television shows, both of which are government-run and produced. The only things that the North Korean people will know is what the government tells them to know. Also, it is almost impossible to enter that country unless you sneak in. This is another way that the government controls the people because this way, no outsiders and come in and tell the citizens what is really going on. Another eeire conection, they do not allow magaiznes in the country. Just like in the town protrayed in the book, they can't have reading material.
    In this book, I think that the firemen live in oblivion of what the town really thinks of them. on page 7. Montag and Clarisse are talking and she says, "You know, I'm not afraid of you at all." He respons with, "Why should you be?". I don't think that the firemen know that they are misunderstood in the town.

    By Blogger emilyh, at 10:45 AM  

  • I interpret he quote that emily provided ("You know, I'm not afraid of you at all." Montag responds with, "Why should you be?")a little differently. I think tht Montag is trying to say that he realises that he is feared, but he knows that he is just a normal person and is trying to express this to Clarisse.

    By Blogger matt f., at 12:03 PM  

  • Guess what? I'm the 50th comment! Yay! I'm responding to the third question. I agree with emilyh, I do not think that firemen were feared. I think that when Clarisse talks about being afraid it appears that usually she only talks with her family. It is very possible that her family is afraid of them. However it seems likely to me that the public loves firemen because they save them from the terrible evil that is books. There task has merely change from putting out fires to starting them. I think Matt has a good point but I still don't know who or why they are fear by.

    By Blogger Sander K., at 12:06 PM  

  • Response to question 1:
    Today, the role of fireman is to be service men for the public. They often risk their very lives to save people caught in fires. They do all that they can to put out the fires that are consuming a house or building. They are always recieved well because they are servants to us. People normally don't hate or not like those that truly serve them, like firemen. They are seen as modern day heros. Little kids look up to them as they would their dad, like a hero, and want to be like them. The role of a fireman is very looked up to and a noble profession.

    By Blogger cvanessen2, at 12:09 PM  

  • I think that our perception of fireman changed because now I respect them alot more.It really changed my views I feel bad.

    By Blogger shane, at 12:18 PM  

  • hey y'all!!! does anyone else realize that we have no new post to respond to? this isn't necessarily bad...it's just odd. ah well, I'll respond to some of my pals!

    To Matt: I am with you a 110%, mah friend. I also interpreted the quote of Montag ("Why should you be?") as the character trying to put Clarisse at ease. I don't think he wants her to fear him...I actaully suspect there might be a little love in his heart towards her. Clarisse awakens things in Montag he thought he'd forgotten: hope and values and truth and the past.

    Speaking of the past, have any of you ever heard the quote "whoever controls the past controls the future?" It's from 1984, the drama AHS is putting on November 2, 3, and 4th at 7pm all nights! You should all come: tickets are only $5 and it's a really amazing show that pertains to the theme of Fahrenheit 451!! Okay, now that I've had my moment to sell our show, back to the past. In 1984, the government literally CHANGES the past; they hire people to change histroy by editing out people, events...anything they don't want the people to know. They are watched constantly by telescreens, a lot like the t.v. walls in F 451. I personally believe that Bradbury was influenced by George Orwell's 1984 because of all the similarities there are. People are confused, people are all the same, people aren't aloud to think...there are so many parallels it's outstanding! if you're having a little trouble with the book, COME SEE 1984! it definitally helps one understand what's going on, from a different perspective!

    By Blogger CMeghan, at 4:11 PM  

  • Does anyone remember what we were suposed to blog about tonight?

    By Blogger katieorlandini, at 5:01 PM  

  • To Meg: Cheers for 1984! "2+2=4! 2+2=4!" YAY FOR EXTRAS!! "Criminal!!"

    Ok. I am officially done... Yah, Katie, I have no idea what we were supposed to blog about... I think there would have been a question posted... at least I hope so.

    By Blogger RachelP, at 5:35 PM  

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    By Blogger hmadsen, at 5:50 PM  

  • I think that the fireman are seen as the proffesional athletes of today. Mainly because they are both respected by the people alot and every little kid wants to be just like them. They''re idols to the community. Although the community likes them I think their power can be used in a bad way and a little in a good way. I think that the government is using them to make the people learn what they want and not hear what other people have to say in books. Thats why they burn them. in other words it's a government/technology controlled society. I think this will lead to problems...

    By Blogger shane, at 5:50 PM  

  • questiona 3tres

    The firemen seem to be kind of feared by the public, which is basically the opposite of today. This is probably because their job went from saving stuff to destroying it. Also i think people respect them, and fear them, so much that they do no ttalk to them. This is probably why Montag does not know that people fear him.

    By Blogger hmadsen, at 5:51 PM  

  • To Rachel: war is peace. freedom is slavery. ignorance is strentgh! DO IT TO JULIA! hahahahahahahahahaha. seriously people, you have to come to 1984! you'll love it, and you'll get to see rachel and in action!

    To katie: no idea at all!

    To Shane: this is a great simile with the professional athletes! i like the way you think. this goes back to everyone being heros, etc.

    A question for you all, pals: who is your hero and why?

    x and o ~me.

    By Blogger CMeghan, at 6:07 PM  

  • hola chicos! lol

    ok, so im not really sure what we are supposed to blog about either, but HMADSEN...i totally agree with you. I definitely think that the way firemen are viewed in our world and thier world is completely opposite. nice!

    *melissa*

    By Blogger melissaq, at 6:11 PM  

  • I was just reading through some of the comeents and I thought Matt had a great question that never really got addressed. Would it be possible for firemen to get an image like they have in Farenheit 451 after the public witnessed an event like 9/11? I think this is very possible considering the fact that after you continue to read, you see that some one (probably the government) changed the entire history of firefighters and named Benjamin Franklin as the first firefighter. So it is very possible that if some one or something had the power to eliminate Benjamin Franklin's real accomplishments from history, that they could reinvent the entire image of firemen as well. But what do you think? Is this book realistic? Would it be possible for our history to be rewritten?

    By Blogger Kristen F., at 6:14 PM  

  • Meghan: I dont realy have a specific hero. I look at things and decide if it is good or bad. With people, I may aprrove of a cause or an action but I try not to inflate them if you know what I mean. Not to seem unapreciative but I belive that we as a country have blown 9/11 up(no pun intended)a tiny bit. I agree that the men and women (and rescue dogs)were entirely selfless on that awful day. All I am saying is that we tend to inflate people we admire. There is nothing wrong with that but I dont realy do that. Anyways, in the book, I belive that it is opposite. The people have inflated Firemen in a bad way.

    PS Meghan, good connection with 1984. You are kind of obbsesed though, no offence.

    To all: Do you think that we are reading F451 at the same time as the play is in production for a reason?????? (GASP!)

    By Blogger katieorlandini, at 6:24 PM  

  • hey, so im not sure if we are supposed to blog but...

    I totally agree with you hmadsen. I also feel like the firefighters, or at least Guy, seem to be sheltered from the way the public veiws them. I think that the public veiws the men as dangerous and cruel. But I don't feel that Guy really fits that description, do you? But I have a question: what do you think happened to the police, because the book said that they usually come and pick up the person who has the books, but in last nights case, they didn't. What do you think happened to them that made them neglect to come pick up the woman?

    By Blogger haleycc, at 6:26 PM  

  • To address kristen, I think that if the government really tried, and I mean really, then history could be changed. I mean first they would just not teach kids the real history and replace it with all of the fake stuff. It is possible but my question is why would the government want to change history? what good does this do for them?

    To address katie,
    I think its just a coinsidence that we are reading this book at the same time as 1984

    By Blogger NatalieJ, at 7:04 PM  

  • #3 Many people in the book are afraid of firemen and think of them as the evil vilains in the society. People think this because they break into peoples' houses and burn their books often aresting or harming ther person in posetion of the books. I found this irony to be rather hilarius as the firemen of the future are the total opposite of the firemen of the present down to every fiber of their existence including their jobs and the peols thoughts of them.

    By Blogger Laine G, at 7:19 PM  

  • I thought there was supposed to be another blog up today, but maybe I'm wrong.

    So to respond to what Meghan had said...

    I have quite a few heroes. And whenever people ask why they are my heroes, I have to go off on a tangent of explaining why. FIrst, are my three swim coaches, because of all the work they put into making me better and because of all the experience they have in the business that I can learn from. And they never stop teaching, either. Which makes them heroic to me because they are helping me in life in ways that they don't even know.

    Next are two of my friends on my swim team, Johnny and Jeff, who are always there for me when the going gets tough. They push me to swim faster and be a better person. And they encourage me to keep going when I feel like I can't at all.


    Those are just to name a couple, and I think being a hero has to do with more than just saving lives, but helping you during your life, to make you your best. That's heroic-nism to me.

    :]

    By Blogger KylieYoum, at 7:50 PM  

  • 1. to answer the question blatantly, the role of firemen today is to put out fires and they a usually highly respected and honored by the public

    2. 9/11 changed our perspective of firefighters from good person to hero. Before, it was good to be a fireman and people thought kindly of you and things like that. After 9/11 happened, firemen are regarded as almost godly heroes among men, bravely dashing into fires and debris, risking their own life to save someone elses

    3. Also another blatant answer i think is the best way to put it: people feared the firemen in farenheit 451 and thought they were just out to hurt them, unless they were brainwashed, like mildred. They felt this way because they broke into people's houses and burnt their books to ashes.

    By Blogger kmatthews, at 9:01 PM  

  • First off, you all are making great points that I would have never thought of. Like Martha I really don't know which question I'm responding to. I do have a question however about this book. What could have happened to our world to end up like the world in this book? Because it would have to be a pretty drastic change to have firefighters to make fires rather than putting them out. To answer a question I think that our views before 9/11 of firefighters is that we were scared of them just for thereasons people have said before hand. After 9/11 we saw them more as heroes as I said in my first blog. Sorry if I repeated a little bit because I did my best.

    By Blogger Kayla F, at 9:53 PM  

  • To answer cmeghan's question about who my hero is. I think that my hero at this point in my life is Lindsey. She has been through so many struggles and made it through them. For me, she is a real inspiration, for how she has handeled her self in awful situations and what she has done after them. Plus, she is someone that I can talk to, some one that is real and there... right in front of you. Lindsey is not soem person that I never knew and most likely will never know. She is someone that you can look up to and admire, but at the same time they do not feel that you should be looking up to them, that they are just like you. That they are not better than anyone else. I think that a hero should be someone that you know, or the persona of some thing that you know. I also think that throughout life your hero changes many times depending on your life situation.

    By Blogger alysew, at 10:08 PM  

  • This is a question that I just want to put out there, which I got from reading kmatthewes comment-

    Do you think that the people living in the Fahrenheit 451 society are brainwashed? Who would do the brainwashing, do the firemen play a roll in this?

    Thanks.

    By Blogger alysew, at 10:14 PM  

  • Answering matt f.'s quetion:
    I think that alot can be forgotten over the coarse of time. If people didnt like to remember their loved ones dieing on 9/11 then they might not try to remember, then over time they might just flat out forget. Sort of an example is with the holocaust, some people try to forget that it ever happened. In 451 people must not have thought about the firemen being heros and saveoyurs, then forgot that they ever were.

    By Blogger Erik, at 9:20 PM  

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