Mrs. Moritz's 9th Honors English

Tuesday, October 24, 2006

Bye, bye Beatty!

Describe Beatty’s death. Make an argument that Beatty’s death was a suicide rather than a murder.

48 Comments:

  • GOOD AFTERNOON, BUDDIES! HOW'S LIFE TREATING YOU? WELL, I HOPE ;)

    BEATTY CLEARING HAD A VIOLENT DEATH; montag shot him with a flamethrower, for pity's sake!

    BUT I DO THINK THAT BEATTY'S DEATH WAS MORE OF A SUICIDE THAN A MURDER. HE INSULTED MONTAG, STRUCK HIM, ARGUED WITH HIM, AND THEN THREATENED TO FIND AND KILL FABER. People can only put up with so much for so long before they snap. WITH MONTAG, THE THREAT AGAINST FABER PUSHED HIM OVER THE EDGE. WHY? AND HOW DID BEATTY KNOW? WELL, BEATTY AND MONTAG WORKED TOGETHER FOR YEARS AND WERE GOOD FRIENDS FOR A LONG TIME. BEATTY MUST HAVE REALIZED MONTAG'S ATTACHEMENT TO THE PEOPLE HE LOVES, EVEN MILDRED, WHO WILL NOT OR CANNOT LOVE HIM BACK. I BELIEVE BEATTY COMMITED SUICIDE BECUASE HE KNEW THIS ABOUT MONTAG, AND PLAYED UPON THIS IDEA TO FORCE MONTAG TO KILL HIM.

    QUESTION FOR THE BLOG! QUESTION FOR THE BLOG!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT WOULD SOMEONE HAVE TO DO/THREATEN YOU WITH BEFORE YOU COULD COMMIT MURDER? (ie. threat on Faber caused Montag to kill Beatty.)

    By Blogger CMeghan, at 11:29 AM  

  • I agree with cmeghan about how Beatty's death could be considered a suicide because he set himself up when threatening Montag. That is the only argument I can think of to make that Beatty's death was a suicide. I personally think it wasn't a suicide because Montag didn't have to kill him, he could have controlled his anger (difficult but not an impossible task). Do people who threaten others really know 100% that those people will kill them. If so,why threaten the person in the first place?

    Answering Cmeghan's question: Someone would really have to threaten me or my family numerous times and be serious about it before I would murder someone,but only if the police and others didn't take it seriously. If someone seriously threatened one of my dear friends, I would probably have the same reaction. I still can't believe that threatening Faber was enough to kill Beatty though. Montag didn't know Faber that well,and since Faber truly believed in his cause and thought Montag did too,I do not think that Faber would harm Montag if tortured or taken away. He wouldn't risk telling them about Montag if captured because he wanted to save the books and knowledge.

    By Blogger Julia B, at 12:33 PM  

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    By Blogger Whitney*P, at 5:15 PM  

  • Beatty was killed when Montag got mad and felt threatened and decided to shoot him with a flamethrower.
    I think that there's a good chance that Beatty's death was , in a way, suicide because he let Montag walk around with a weapon as he was verbally attacking him. That defininetly wasn't very smart and as we know from earlier parts of the book, Beatty is not a stupid man. He understands the way people think. Therefore, if he truly didn't want to be harmed, I think he would have handled his confrontation with Montag differently. His reasons for wanting to die aren't entirely obvious, but he could have wanted to allow Montag to continue his mission, or he may have wanted Montag to suffer even larger repurcussins when he finally got caught.

    By Blogger Whitney*P, at 5:17 PM  

  • Answering cmeghan's comment;
    I think someone would have to threaten something i love to get me to murder someone. For example, someone threating to hurt my parents, my brother, my dog, my friends, just things in general that are really dear to me. The person would have to do a lot to get me to that point though because i'm REALLY against murder. I think murder is horrible because it takes someone's best friend,sibling,parent, etc... out of the world forever.Also taking along with it all the good memories that still had to be made, all the good things the person could do for the world. My question for everyone is: do you think murder is wrong and why????

    By Blogger Sarah E., at 8:57 PM  

  • Hey Everyone!

    I think everyone's pretty much described Beatty's death, so I'll just answer the question on whether it was suicide or not.

    I really think it was a combination. I mean, if he really wanted to commit suicide he would have probably done it himself. When people reach that level of depression, anger etc. There's no tellling what they will do. Still he could have gotten out of the way when Montag turned on the flame thrower. And it was Montag who went through with the action...

    woops, gotta run. That's the bell. I'll continue later.... maybe.

    By Blogger RachelP, at 11:17 AM  

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    By Blogger Damian L., at 1:35 PM  

  • Poor poor Beatty, he was burned.
    No other way to explain it. Unless you went into great detail about how his fleash smelt, and cracked into black pieces, ect. Than again if you did that then everyone would know you've burned people to death before, then we'll call the cops, but you'll intercept the call. Threathen to kill/burn everyone in class, we'll all not show up to class though and you'll hunt everyone doen and burn them.

    Beatty's death was a suicide, he didn't calm Montag down, but goated him on instead. Hepush Montag over the edge and then didn't even try to get out of the flames path.

    By Blogger Damian L., at 1:44 PM  

  • eVEN though Montag was the one who set Beatty on fire and everything else, beatty was the one that let this all happen. He also was kind of persuaded montag to do it. I think Beatty wanted to be put out of his misery of reading books and being at the top of the social pyramid.

    By Blogger tneal8, at 2:06 PM  

  • I beleive that Beatty's death was suicide, because he acted as if he had planned the whole thing out. He even told Montag to "pull the trigger". Tecnically it wasn't suicide, because Beatty didn't physically strike the final blow to himself, however it was suicide in a more symbolic kind of way. Does anyone else think that Beatty might have gotten depressed (or something) from reading the books? He did say that firemen destroyed books to keep people happy? What Beatty's real reasoning behind his suicide?

    By Blogger goodriddance, at 2:32 PM  

  • I agree with everyone about the fact that threatening Faber and Montag was the argument supporting the suicide.
    But I think if it was tested in court Montag would be found guilty of murder because just knowing about Montag and his attachments that doesn't create a prevention of what Beatty did and Montag murdered him. Although it could be argued that Montag did it in self defense, it still was a murder.

    I also have a QUESTION that isn't really related to the murder but the over all book. Do you think that this book might have been different if it was written after 9/11? If so in what ways might it change?

    By Blogger kkanski, at 3:28 PM  

  • Okay, I agree with most of these comments that Beatty committed suicide. When they first arrived at the house, he was the one that had given the flamethrower the Montag in the first place. Drawing on the rest of the book that we have read so far, it seems that Beatty will always ask the questions or carry out the actions that will get him the results or the answers that he wants out of Montag. There is no doubt in my mind that Beatty knew what he ws doing when he gave the flamethrower to Montag and taunted him to pull the trigger and what not.

    There was also another thing that I noticed in Beatty's part in this past chunk.On page 115, Beatty is talking about how lovely fire is. When he says, "'Its real beauty is that it destroys responsibility and consequences. A problem that gets too burdensome, then into the furnace with it. Now, Montag, you're a burden. And fire will lift you off my shoulders clean and quick.'" The fire is destroying his responsiblities to his country, himself, and especially the fire crew. Also, he is saying not only that Montag will no longer be a burden because he won't have his books, he is also saying that fire is what will get him away from his problems cleanly and quickly. Beatty was a coward. His life started to go wrong and he couldn't take it. He needed to put the blame on someone else and slip away from his problems without anyone noticing.

    By Blogger emilyh, at 3:33 PM  

  • I think Beatty did want Montag to kill him. I guess in a sense it was the subtlest way to commit suicide. If I were Beatty and I had so much knowledge of literature and was allowed to do so because I was a fire chief, I think I would still worry about other people suspecting that I actually LIKED reading books. Whether this was the case with Beatty or not, I'm not entirely certain, but I definitely think that he could have liked books because he had a vast knowledge of all kinds of genres. Even if he were required to read some books for his job, you would think that he would read only the minimum unless he secretly enjoyed reading them. Because he was forced to scold Montag and other rebellious firemen who got the urge to read books, I think he was afraid that his cover would eventually be blown and he would be in major trouble. So, he probably thought that the easiest way to get himself out of the situation was to commit suicide, but it would make him look better if someone killed him instead. He made sure this would happen by making Montag snap past his limit and in an impulsive, angry rage, kill Beatty.

    By Blogger Rachel K, at 3:39 PM  

  • Oh my goodness everyone has said like the same thing but its all really good stuff. I completely agree with rachelk in the sense that I think Beatty felt really guilty for reading books. I think he maybe started to understand them and that scared him that he might turn into a person like Montag. If he was to do that then someone would probably tell someone else and then Beatty would be in the position that Montag is in now (kinda). I think Beatty was just a bit overwelmed.
    Did anyone notice that Beatty says to Montag "after your finished you are under arrest" I think that also contributed to his death in the end.

    By Blogger NatalieJ, at 4:01 PM  

  • I agree with most of what has been said so far. It definately seems like Beatty set himself up for it. For days after the woman got burned he tormented montag with hints and suggestions under his words. By the time Montag got to the next duty call, he was almost insane with worry, regret and anger. Beatty sent him in with a flamethrower to burn his house, and made no attempt to save himself from Montag's flame thrower. Infact, he egged him on, especially when he found the transponder in his ear with faber on the other end. I wonder why Beatty would want to die though. Would it be the same reason that has been tormenting Montag about life? Did he lose hope?

    By Blogger kmatthews, at 4:02 PM  

  • "And then he was a shrieking blaze, a jumping, sprawling gibbering mannikin, no longer human or known, all writithing flame on the lawn as Montag shot one continuous pulse of liquid fire on him" (119). Montag's brain whirled with confusion and devistation and frustration as Beatty stood before him with a smirk plastered to his face, antagonizing and infuriating. To me Captain Beatty's death was indeed a suicide because he provoked, tricked, and manipulated Montag by attacking Faber verbally (like Meg said)and Montag couldn't stand it much longer.

    By Blogger Chelley D, at 4:27 PM  

  • Beatty died because he wanted to. He didn't just set the fire to a house like normal, he gave a fugitive a FLAMETHWROWER then he intentionally made Montag upset. It is very clear that his death was a suicide. He was facing Montag and tempting him. You don't anger someone after giving them a very powerful wepaon for no reason. That's just stupid. I believe that he used suicide as a way to cover up the fact that he had been enjoying or regreting the books that he was reading. He realized that if he got caught, everything would be over for him. He might me thinking that he can just bring a few others down with him and stop the corruption. I think that he was reading books before he became firechief and thought that they caused too much sorrow. I feel that he thought that if he framed Montag, he could stop him from suffering, correct Montag's path and ease his own suffering as well. He had a dark secret that he had been keeping and it just kept eating away at him until he could no longer take it. He snapped.

    By Blogger tchilton, at 4:31 PM  

  • I agree with Whitney when she says's that Beatty knew what he was doing when he insulted Montag and threatened Faber. Beatty was probably won of the most intelligent people in the society because he read all the books that they burned. If he wanted to live, he obviously would have backed off of Montag or at least figured that it isnt smart the argue with somebody with a flamethrower nearby. As for Beatty's motivation to kill himself, I think that he believed book burning was a good idea until he became suspicious of Montag. Montag and Faber probably helped open his eyes and helped him to see that it is an awful thing to prevent people from reading books and literature. But knowing Beatty, he also was probably to weak of a person to join Montag and Faber in the fight so instead of standing in their way, he committed suicide and eliminated one of their obstacles. But what do you think? Why would Beatty would want to commit suicide?

    By Blogger Kristen F., at 4:36 PM  

  • I think that kmatthews is right about why Beaty wanted to die. Since he had read and realised what life could have been like, he aslo knew that changing the horrific state of things was beyond his capabilities. This made him depressed, and he had no reason to live when Montag threatened him. Since he had no reason to live, I think that he just made a spruu-of-the-moment descision and decided that life wasnt worth the pain and decided to end it.

    By Blogger matt f., at 5:26 PM  

  • I don't have a lot to say, everyone else pretty much covered it. First of all, I really agree with whitney*p when she said that Beatty was committing suicide in a way because he continued to verbally attack and provoke Montag though he was being threatened. This is not an act of stupidity. Beatty truly wants to die, as Montag realizes later in the novel on page 122. However I am incredibly confused about his reason for wanting to die. Perhaps he knew that although he may die, the firemen would continue burning and that society would continue to nurture its corrupt beliefs. I don't think he really believes Montag or he would actually make a difference in this world, they were just as insignificant as the others. So why not die knowing the other man will be punished and himself praised and forgotten. It follows the theme of indifference I personally see in the novel's context. Nothing ever really seems to connect with people anymore. People kill each other because it is something thrilling to occupy their time temporarily. No one talks, no one argues. Everyone is completely removed.

    By Blogger kchurchill, at 5:49 PM  

  • Montag seemed like he had his whole speech planned out when he came to Montag's house. I think Beatty knew what the reaction of Montag would be when they arrived at his house.

    I think the death was at first sort of an idea for him...maybe he had troubles keeping away from books too? And so by threatening Montag, he knew one of the crazy fools who loved books would die...whether it be himself or Montag. And therefore he tried to make Montag go over the edge so he could escape the misery, and then Montag would be put away for killing him so both of them would be confined.

    Or was he trying to keep the love for books from spreading, since he knew how addicting it could be and he didnt want other people in the world to get in trouble like he did?

    Just some thoughts being thrown out there. Respond if you want. :]]

    By Blogger KylieYoum, at 8:06 PM  

  • I think that Beatty's death was suicide rather then murder. Like cmeghan said, Beatty was close to Montag and knew what made him angry, so it wasn't like he was innocently talking to him and was suddenly burnt to a crisp; he knew what he was doing.

    Like a lot of people said, his suicide might have been about him reading books but it also could have been that he was starting to feel guilt for all the houses he had burned. After reading the books, he may have realized that his job wasn't as good as he had thought it to be.

    By Blogger haleycc, at 8:10 PM  

  • Beatty's death occured when Montag was pushed over the edge and used the flamethrower on Beatty. As the fire hit him the intense heat would burn through his clothing then touch the skin and destroy his nerves most likely so it could be relativly painless. Then as we begins to combust his bodily funtions fail resulting in desth. [/description]

    I personnaly like Montag's reflection that he had done as Beatty wanted and burned the problem.

    An argument that it was suicide was stated in the book. That he antagonized Montag and made no effort to defend himself or perserv his life. Beatty went to lengths to anger Montag to the point where he would kill him, also, he gave Montag the flamethrower rather than another firefighter and he refused to go on the excursion when Montag was not there, hinting at his suicidal intentions.

    By Blogger Tony J., at 8:15 PM  

  • I agree that it was suicide, every one agrees with that. What can not be decided is why. I personally believe that Beatty was dead long before he was physically dead. It is obvious that he used to be a scholar; he knows history and literature like the back of his hand (where does that phrase come from anyways?). With each book that was burned, he died a little. Soon he was transformed into a cold and evil villain. He did not speak what he really felt, that was evident. Montag must have made him realize what he had become and made him wish for death. It was the easy way out; he did not want to deal with the world anymore.

    By Blogger katieorlandini, at 8:25 PM  

  • When Montag lit the flame with the torch, and burned Beatty to death, there were a lot of things that he did that could be considered trying to commit suicide. Before Montag "killed" him, Beatty was patronizing him and teasing him. He said things along the line of, "You wouldn't kill me, your too scared." It could've been considered a suicide because Beatty had chose to push Montag to an edge to where he felt he had no other decision except killing him. Why would someone, held at "gunpoint" in a way, want to push someone so far that they would be willing to kill that person? I don't see why Beatty would do that without considering the fact that he could get killed. It is also suspicious because Beatty let Montag hold the torch, which usually, a normal person would not let a criminal hold a gun or any kind of thing that may be used as a weapon. I just think that Beatty was pretty inteligent, so he must have planned his own death.

    By Blogger jcard, at 8:29 PM  

  • I agree with everybody. Beatty allowed Montag to point a weapon at him and he didn't even flinch. he was almostr taunting him with threats and insults. It might also be a suicide becuase Beatty told Montag to burn his house himself which Beatty probably knew that would make Montag snap along with all the insults that built up to it. That's how Beatty could have committed suicide.

    By Blogger Kayla F, at 8:39 PM  

  • To answer goodriddance's question, I think that Beatty did get depressed from reading all of the books. Why else would he have said so many times that books make people unhappy, and that the people need to be happy? He possibly could have seen that mement with Mantag as his escape. That he was a problem, not an easy answer, so just like he told Montag many times, when you have a problem, burn it. So really, Montag was just assisting Beatty in getting rid of his depression and all of his thought that built up after reading all of the books that he read. He would not have been able to know so many quotes if he was not an avid reader who understood what he was reading.

    I think that Beatty was a social outcast, just like Clarisse. He read when no one else was allowed to, but it was alright for him to do so. He knew quotes and all of the past. He knew what books will do to people, how they can destroy lives. Beatty could not have known that they destroy lives, except in the people getting burned way, but in people's lives that go on in some way if he had not been destroied himeslf. He said that books will be your friend, then they will turn on you.

    The books turned on Beatty and he never recovered, he could not go on with the loss of a dear friends. The only way that he could "pass the torch" on to another peoson, Montag, with suffering because of reading the books, was to have Montag, his successor assist him in his suicide. Montag had gone so far, completed all the steps but the final one, that it made sense for Beatty to have Montag's help. Montag had taken books, kept them, read them, wanted to know about the past, and questioned society and the fireman's roll; all that he had to do now was to replace the man who had done all of that befor him-Beatty. When Beatty stood there and did not fight back, it was as if he was letting Montag know that it was now his time to discover the way thing are once you have read the forbidden books, that Beatty did not need ot fill that posistion any longer.

    By Blogger alysew, at 9:10 PM  

  • i think that Beatty could have commited suicide because he could have been soo depressed, because his world was so much different from everyone else's. He has dealt with this for so long that it is catching up with him and he is finally cracking and depressed. When he sees that his life is at stake, with Montag aiming the flame thrower at him, he doesnt really care, and actually sees it as an oppurtunity to make Montag kill him, and get back at Montag through Montag's regret of killing him. (if that makes sense...hope it does, lol sry) So, he sees it as one of the reasons to die.

    MEG- Wow! great ideas! i agree with everything you said, but I would like to add that I think taht Beatty was depressed (as other people said) and tired of living so differently from everyone else. He read so many
    books, that it must have caused him to broaden his mind.

    By Blogger melissaq, at 9:17 PM  

  • There are all these good idea out there that it's going to be hard not to repeat. I agree with everyone in that Beatty knew what he was doing by verbally attaking Montag. But I think Beatty in some way idolized Montag deep down. He knew that Montag was on the already challanging the system, and on the verge on taking things one step futher. I think that Beatty wanted to be able to do that. He just didn't have the courage to. Montag was the one thing that he felt he didn't have control of in his life. He truly believed that fire would fix things. But for some reason I think he knew that even fire wouldn't stop him from fearing Montag. People fear obscurity, the fear different. But most of all, people fear themselves. They fear the potential they possess to what they can become. It can be a good or bad thing, but most try to hide or bury it. In Beatty's case, he burned it. Yet he saw too much similarity between him and Montag. It drove him to the point of insanity and evetually suiside. So do I believe that it was suiside? Absolutely. It was his only way out his fear of what Montag's potential was. It was his only way out of his desire inside of himself to be like Montag.

    By Blogger Martha P., at 9:24 PM  

  • Beatty died when Montag shot him with a flame thrower after he had set fire to his own home. Beatty had discovered that someone else was involved with Montags plan and reactions. He took the ear piece from Montag and declared that he would find Faber and burn his house and him as well. It was at this moment that Montag was compeled to shoot Beatty with the flame thrower and kill him.

    Beatty's death could be considered a suicide rather than a murder because of his obvious lack of effort in trying to prevent his death. He simply stood there while Montag shot him rather than pleading, running, or moving to attack Montag. Furthmore, he prompted him to do it by arousing Montag's anger and by yelling at him. Maybe Beatty chose this fate because he finally understood his role in destroying society and the importance of books. Maybe when he knew how wrong he and the rest of the world was he felt like there was no purpose in living anymore. That he had been living in deceit and so accepted his fate and took death when the opportunity presented itself.

    By Blogger cvanessen2, at 9:32 PM  

  • I didn't originaly think that Beatty's death was a suicide, but after more analasis it's actualy pretty clear to me now. Beatty is a very smart person and knew that Guy Montag would handle this situation that way. Beatty gave Montag the flame thrower and then kept egging him on to do something that would anger him. When Montag turned the torch on him he didnt even try to avoid it.

    By Blogger Laine G, at 10:33 PM  

  • Well beatty had a pretty miserable death with the flame thrower and all that but in some really weird way I agree that this was a case of suicide. The reason why is that I think throughout the portion we have read, Beatty has been testing the limits of Montag. Consequently he knows the cracking point of Montag's perseverance. Prior to his death Beatty is trying to push montag to the limit. In the end I think that Beatty wanted Montag to kill him. Yeah I know everyone has said the same thing but i think Beatty has been testing him to have a plan of his own suicide but he did not want to make it look like he commited suicide because then he would look like a hypocrite to all his fellow workers and friends.

    By Blogger shane, at 11:09 PM  

  • I agree with meghan, but more important is the question of why he would want to commit suicide. I personally think (sorry if I am repeating anything. I didnt have time to read all the comments)that he had a life just like montag. He stole books, read them, interpreted them. etc. But his life did not end, he probably had been doing it without the other firefighters noticing for a long time. So he got so deep into a problem he couldnt confront or fix, that the only way he saw out was suicide. And why should he belittle himself by doing it without an acomplice? Without him knowing it, Montag helped end Beatty's tragic life that was so much like his own. This could be foreshadowing Montag's own end...

    By Blogger Emma Grace, at 5:22 AM  

  • I think that Beatty's death was a suicide becuase who else would sitinfront of a raging madman whocan and will kill you without a second thought. The spacebutton on this computer doesn't workwell at all, SORRY. I think this is asign that Beatty no longer caredabout his life because this is pretty much a clear-cut death wish. Atleast, that is my veiw on BEatty's suicide.

    By Blogger Sander K., at 6:21 AM  

  • Beatty's death was a suicide because HE READ BOOKS TOO! I think Beatty was trying to get Montag to kill him. I don't have the exact text, but he was definitely egging Montag on while Montag was holding the flamethrower thing, which I believe he knew would infuriate Montag and result in his death. Beatty knew how to make Montag mad because he had experienced the same feelings/thoughts that Montag was currently going through. So he knew how to make him angry, understood his emotional status, and really didn't seem to 'care' anymore. A last note: I think when Beatty was trying to convince Montag that his 'book rage' was just a stage every fireman went through, he was (at the same time) trying to convince himself the same thing. He couldn't deal with it, so he cleverly committed suicide.

    By Blogger Alison B, at 6:22 AM  

  • I don't think Beatty's death was suicide as we think of it (like damian l said), but it was in a symbolic way. Maybe the writer wanted to express how he thinks people who read but don't comprehend aren't really the most intellegent people. Beatty was pretty stupid to antagonize a person wiht a blowtorch...But Beatty thought he was above that. Possibly in the same way uncomprehending readers believe they're above reading, or above other people in general.

    By Blogger Rachel L, at 6:49 AM  

  • I definitely think that Beatty's death was a suicide rather than a murder comitted by Montag. Beatty's death included him standing right in front of Montag with a gun held up and just kept talking to Montag, making him even more mad, until Montag got to the point of hime not being ablt to contain his anger, and he just finally popped and shot and killed Beattie. When Montag was holding the gun to Beatty, Beattie didn't run away nor did he keep quiet. He only egged on Montag and was pretty much asking Montag to kill him. If Beattie wanted to live and not be shot, then he would have kept quiet while the gun was held to him and/or ran away right.

    By Blogger erikaw, at 7:43 AM  

  • Like others, I think Beatty's death was both a suicide and murder. It was a bit of suicide because he was almost daring Montag to pull the trigger. He noticed Montag aim the flamethrower at him and he didn't do anything to stop him, or to get away.

    To answer GoodRiddance's question, I do think that Beatty was somewhat depressed. To Montag, he seemed to know and have answers to everything because he always quoted books and literature. However, I think that Beatty felt bad about himself because although he read more than anyone else, he didn't really comprehend what it was he read. In some ways, he was kind of putting up a facade because in front of the other firemen he wanted to seem like he had actually obtained wisdom from the books, but I think in reality he knew that he didn't gain anything from reading.

    Maybe because of this he knew that their society really did need books. Maybe he thought/knew that he might eventually end up like Montag- confused and frustrated about what the right decisions are, so he decided that this would be the best way to leave- when things still weren't superly complicated (seeing as how he was fire chief the choices he made would have been much more difficult that Montag's).

    <3

    By Blogger , at 8:50 AM  

  • OK this is the fifth time I've tried this so let's see if it works.

    I do think Beatty's death was a suicide rather than a murder. This is because, like everyone said, he insulted Montag and threatened he and Faber.

    Not only this, but earlier in the chapter, Beatty said something about how fire destroys responsibility and consequences. Maybe Beatty was sick of have so much responsibility and did not want to be part of any more consequences. The reason for this, I am not sure, but this could have been the reason he wanted to die.

    By Blogger clewis, at 8:58 AM  

  • Although Montag did set Beatty on fire, I think that Beatty killed himself. The reason I think Montag pulled the trigger was because Beatty was asking for it. I personally believe that Beatty was acting like this because he couldn't live with himself. Beatty had killed so many people for doing the same thing that he loves to do. Read. So that when the thought of killing all of those people finally caught up with him and he panicked. But since he had too much pride he couldn't kill himself, he had Montag do it for him. He did this by taunting Montag to the point where Montag would have killed him regardless if he wanted to die. So basically Beatty was too scared to kill himself but he wanted to die in the end.

    By Blogger kaytlinr, at 10:53 AM  

  • I think that although it appeared to be murder, it really was suicide. All Beatty did was egg Montag on and it was his own fault. He was basically telling him his like was over and just kept doing that. I feel like it was suicide because it was just aggrivation built up in Montag but it was brought on by Beatty.

    By Blogger Liz, at 12:08 PM  

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    By Blogger Liz, at 12:14 PM  

  • After i thought about it i thought that actually it was suicide. I related it toa certain circumstanc: If you were walking across a busy street when you know you shouldn't and you'll probably be hit by a car you do anyways. Just becuase some one does hit you does not mean they murdered you. Beatty kind of had a death wish so he kept taunting Montag. One of the things that I think hurt Montag the most was when he was talking baout how weird Clarrise was. I wonder if Montag would have cared as much if Beatty was talking about Mmildred.

    By Blogger kkanski, at 2:12 PM  

  • I agree with everyone on the blog. This was definately a suscide. With Beatty mocking and bad mouthing his family and friends, He was asking for it. But, i dont think that it was an excuse to murder him. I think that EmilyH quote from the book was interesting. How fire is the clenser and purifyer of their society, and he is the fire chief, so he is really the one that is cleansed from his life and the town by Montag. The roles switch kind of in this part of the book, and its interesting to see how each character reacts. I have a question now. Because Beatty was the one who knew how to control the Mechanical Hound, what will happen to it? Will it finish its mission and die, or what? Also, when Beatty was murdered, ther were other firemen around him and the house. Did they just stand there and watch, because they had conformed to just go with the flow, or was their fear, or was there some kind of rebellion? I find it hard to believe that they didn't see what was hppening, or that they didn't care.

    By Blogger KraziCoconut1014, at 7:18 PM  

  • Beatty's death was a suicide rather than a murder because he knew what Montag was into and what he might have been planning to do. Also, when Montag hasd threatened him to back off and let him go Beatty kept prodding and arguing and pushing until he pushed too hard and Montag went over the edge. However, it may not have been suicide perhaps Beatty had a death wish but he still wasn't the one who pulled the trigger.

    By Blogger Dan E, at 8:51 PM  

  • I do not think Beatty's death was a suicide even though you could make a case for it. he did let montag walk around him with a flamethrower while hurling insults and making him burn down his own house. and yes i do believe he wanted to die. but that still doesnt mean that it is not a murder. lets say today, a wife is nagging and insulting a husband. the husband is walking around her with a gun in his hand. if he pulls the trigger, no one would consider it a suicide! if it was suicide he would of have to have killed him himself!

    By Blogger sean b, at 6:13 AM  

  • Montag killed beatty because beatty persauded him to do it. I think that if Beatty hadnt been calling montag and idiot and stuff then Montag would never have had a reason to burn him. Maybe beatty wanted to be burned because he realized that he wasnt doing anything with his life except for burning books.

    By Blogger hmadsen, at 10:20 AM  

  • Beatty's Death was violent and, sudden, but he brought it on himself.

    Beatty seamed to like books, and apparently read alot. Montag's views seemed to enlighten him to the wrong he was doing, so he wanted to die. The easiest way to commit suicide and make it look like and accident or murder is get montag mad at him enough to kill him. It was his own fault.

    By Blogger Barry Tischler, at 2:37 PM  

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