Hello everyone!
It’s Meghan Callahan, your loyal scribe! I am not Kylie, who was supposed to scribe today. Please excuse the confusion; the lovely swimmer girl will post her brilliant observations here tomorrow!
The day was bleak and rainy, the sort of day when no one expects anything special to happen. I didn’t expect there to be a mystery package on my front doorstep containing an item which was to change my life forever…hahahahahahahaha, JUST KIDDING! On with the post.
Mrs. Moritz was wearing a straighter cut of khaki pants, a white shirt, and a brown belt and shoes accompanied by a brown jacket. She says that we don’t blog about her clothing choices. Haha. Mrs. Moritz would like everyone to know that their T-shirt designs for 1984 must be properly reversed so that the copy machine can print the correct image. Does everyone get that? The words need to be backwards as does the image so that it will appear correctly when ironed on to a T-shirt. Leonardo da Vinci wrote all his notes backwards so that they could only be read when held up to a mirror. Weird, eh? He was a clever clever man.
We took our quiz from Damien and Barry…I didn’t find it that challenging and the class seemed to agree. Big shout out of thanks to Damien and Barry! Yay! We briefly discussed Laine’s new haircut (smashing, by the way) and caffeinated soap (yes, it IS real) before moving into our fishbowl, where Kevin, Alyse, Damien, and Barry facilitated our discussion. This is what occurred; to the best of my recollection and notes…I chose to include ALL aspects of what was discussed instead of summarizing. If there are any questions/mistakes, please let me know!
Question: Do you believe Winston was really sane before he was interrogated, or insane, as O’Brien believes?
• Everyone in the book is insane, Winston is one of the few TRUE sane people in our perspective
• Opposite of our sane is Party sane…ie insanity is the norm
• Hard to be sane in that society
Question: Do you think other people are seen as sane (such as Mr. Parsons who is proud of his children turning him in?
• People are proud of their kids for doing bad things in our society (ex. Terrorists are proud of their children
• Kids do what they are supposed to/taught to
• Directly reflects our society; Party wants to break links of kids and parents
• The normal thing to do in their society
• Do the children even understand what they are doing?
• Going along with the crowd, want to fit in and conform especially in that society
• Don’t understand repercussions of action (don’t see torture, etc for their parents)
• Disappear, cannot know what actually happens, not seen as big of a deal
• Is this like our society? Jonestown: religious cult, even people who escaped wanted back in because it was what they were used to
• Change scares people
• Parsons’ kids don’t think of the consequences
• Winston (post-Ministry of Love) can’t think straight; no one can think about the past or future so can’t process actions
• Kids in our society want to leave home for college but many come back from abroad after their freshman year; seek what they are used to
• Stepping too much out of your comfort zone: harmful or good?
Question: In the end was Winston better off believing what the Party told him or not?
• Easier with the Party’s way, not noticed by the society, not necessarily better off
• Spent time trying NOT to be discovered when against the Party; now will have an easier life
• Not the same person, but in a lot less pain
• Can’t change everything by himself, better off in rebellion
• In rebellion Winston was a person but now he is a clone
• Knew he was going to get caught but was at least actually living
• His personal life will be easier now; but if he had kept fighting the Party would have at least been surprised and he might have given people other than Julia ideas of rebellion too
• Does the Party control its own rebellion?
• They wait to move in on Winston and Julia until the right time, hand out Goldstein’s book, etc
• Hard to find any hope for change in this society/can anyone see hope there?
• Ignorance is bliss; don’t understand concepts of hope or freedom
• They are used to things the way they are
• Winston’s past ties him to these ideas
• Torture/continued teaching convince Winston to lose hope
• When Winston said he hated Big Brother, did he really?
• At “that stage” of the torture program they are supposed to hate Big Brother and are then made to love him
• When you have to confront your fears, are your beliefs forced to change?
• Your beliefs can change based on your life experiences
• Winston betrayed Julia; changed his relationship with her
• At the breaking point, does everything about you change?
• Room 101 doubles your fears: death AND rats (or other worst fear)
• Martyrs don’t change their beliefs: why is that?
• Examples of martyrs: Santa Lucia, Joan of Arc, Peter, etc
• Jonestown: cult in Brazil, can’t escape society, similar to 1984 society, attention from Congress and news, eventual mass suicide
• Could the 1984 society reach that point (of mass suicide)?
• Wouldn’t get to that point; people are used to the society and would not rebel
• Already IS that way: purges, unpersons, etc
• Ministry of Love makes martyrdom impossible; memory of person is gone from records so no one can recognize their sacrifice
• Room 101 shows human nature
• Does the Party want people to commit thoughtcrimes so they can change them into brainwashed people in Room 101?
• Make it so that the only thing that post-Ministry of Love people care for/physically think about is Big Brother
• Winston emptied of all emotions but basic fear, hatred, and triumph
Question: Winston loses intellectual effort when the pain of torture is gone. Does this play into the Party’s plan of complete control?
• Once you have experience complete pain, it is impossible to rebel
• Exactly what the Party wants
• System of consequences and rewards, like how they train animals
• Do the ends of rebellion justify the means?
• What would Winston do if he saw someone else rebelling as he and Julia did?
• Emotions of compassion and caring gone; he wouldn’t react
• Impossible to have relationships in this society
• Party does want to stop relationships, but having relationships is extremely difficult in their society anyway
• Nothing to unite people in a relationship; love Big Brother or treason
• Would Winston be threatened with the same thing in Room 101 if he were to return?
• Yes, fear still there
• Take the fear even farther this time; possible even kill Winston
• What was in Julia’s Room 101?: change, being apart from Winston, being hurt by Winston, etc
That was the end of our discussion and class! Loads of love to everyone…hope this all made sense!
~Me.
Question from Alyse, Kevin, Damian and Barry:
Towards the end of the book, Winston has a recollection of a time of happiness and togetherness he had with his mother. What might this symbolize in regards to the way he has changed? Could this play into what Winston said "How could the immortal, collective brain be mistaken"?